User talk:Atrumentis

Hi there!
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I'm really happy to have you here, and look forward to working with you!


 * Kirkburn (talk) 22:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Hullo
Hey, it's great to see someone working on the wiki - I'm sure once D3 gets announced we'll see an increase in visitors! I've got it appearing on the WoWWiki Main Page every so often to let people know about here too. Kirkburn (talk) 17:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Admin status
I don't know if you realised, but you're now an admin/bureaucrat of the wiki! Kirkburn (talk) 11:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hah, wow. I didn't realise I was a bureaucrat too! I requested it from one of the main wiki staff, cause thats what it said to do if there weren't any active bureaucrats. I can make you an admin/bureau too now I think.


 * No need, I'm an employee :) Good to have you on board! Kirkburn (talk) 13:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, wow, lol. Atrumentis 10:37, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I will try to pop by now and then to help out - just leave a message on my talk page to ping me. I love Diablo, and am trying to get the wiki known on WoWWiki, but 'tis a busy world :) Kirkburn (talk) 23:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

"Wow" at your work. Wish I could be around more to help! When I get some time, I'm going to see what I can do about getting this link out there even more. Kirkburn (talk) 21:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Haha, this has become quite a hobby of mine. I wish you were around more too, especially with the skill pages. I think their layout needs improving. Maybe with some sort of table, and a template, and an image, and maybe another table, but I'm not sure. Can you help? It'd be easier if I could get their layout style sorted out soon, so I won't have to go back and edit them all again lol.

Quite busy this week with the big Wikia meeting, but I will see what I can do. Template wise, they should all be accessible from Category:Templates, and some are documented on Project:Templates. Do agree with the skill stuff, sounds like good stuff for an infobox. There's some on wowwiki you may be able to look at for help - http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Infobox_Templates ... as for getting stuff from Mt Arreat, for the data it seems quite fair. For the prose text, unless it's directly from in the game, you should try and paraphrase it (and link to it). Kirkburn (talk) 05:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I found the list of Templates, but they aren't very good ones. How can I make my own? An infobox sounds good too, but, how do we make our own lol? And ok, I'll reference. I'm only just learning how to reference properly now lol.

Template help
Heya! Sorry for not getting back to you quicker - I will see how I can help next week! I've been very busy with Wikia meetings and exhibitions :P Kirkburn (talk) 20:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * lol thats ok, I've been busy too. Atrumentis 03:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Try now :) Kirkburn (talk) 19:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Woot! We have a skills template/infobox! Thank you very much :D Hopefully I'll be able to figure out how to adjust it for Diablo a bit first out without ruining the codes lol. Atrumentis 04:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hullo!
How's it going? Just want to check in on you, see if you've got any issues. Whilst here I'm just going to try and fix a skin issue, don't mind me :) By the by, are you okay with the gaming theme - brick might actually be more appropriate. (PS. Can you reply on my talk page? Thanks!) Kirkburn (talk) 16:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

WWI
I've been making some notes from WWI - http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/WWI - I'm there as a Wikia representative :) Kirkburn (talk) 14:35, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi!
Hi Atrumentis! I'm Richard, one of Wikia's Helpers who specializes in Gaming Wikis. I'm gonna help out a bit by welcoming new users to the wiki and maybe help with some organization. I've set up the forums as all wikis should have them and created a IP welcome template. Also, I was wondering if the wiki's name is "Diablo Wiki" or "Wiki Diablo" or "WikiDiablo"? Feel free to reply to me on my talk page.--Richard 18:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Greetings
Hey Atrumentis. You've got another member of the Gaming Team talking to you now.. me (haha). Anyway, with the announcement of Diablo III, it's probably a good idea to do some fixing up around the wiki. I specialize in making logos, so I made a new one for the Diablo Wiki, as you can see. It isn't necessarily permanent, unless you want it to be. I wanted to get your feedback on it. If you like it the way it is, cool. If you have an idea for some improvements to it, let me know on my talk page. Cheers. JoePlay (talk) 20:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I feel guilty about heaping another greeting on you, but in the interest of not editing in a manner that is against current policy, it's perhaps in our best interests not to. I've had experience on quite a few other wikis, including being an admin of the StarCraft wiki. Anyway, I've searched the help pages, but have been unable to find the answers to certain queeries that I have:


 * Manual of Style: I've looked for a few pages but haven't really picked up a distinct manual of style, as to how information is organized. I'd personally vouch for something along the lines of a section for lore, section for game unit, section for trivia, etc. for each game relevant article.


 * Canon: I appreciate Blizzard's release of novels and enjoy reading them for its Warcraft and StarCraft universes. However, as you're probably aware, occassional discrepencies sometimes pop up and Blizzard currently has no official policy on the matter. Having picked up Birthright a few days ago (no prizes for guessing what prompted that decision ^_^) and with the Diablo Archive set to be released soon, this seems to be a pressing matter. What stance does the wiki have towards any discrepencies that might pop up?


 * Referencing: There's already referencing here, but I feel that "x can do y as seen on the official website of z" is a clunky method, especially when writing in-universe (lore) articles Is there a preferred system of referencing here, such as the "ref name = "x" format? Or is the one I mentioned above the preferred method?

Anyway, sorry in advance if the answers to these questions are elsewhere, but I thought it best to ask. Thanks in advance also.--Hawki 09:28, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

The "ref name =" format is one that allows a single source to be used many times in a single article. In the first case, the full source is given. For instance, say that I want to reference Birthright in the article for Uldyssian, whose story is told over the Sin War trilogy. The first use of the source would be:

then

Subsequent uses of the same reference in the shorthand links back to the same source in the references in the references section.

The technique is useful for keeping an article 'in-universe', though admittedly has its drawbacks. It doesn't open well to page numbers, so any use of the source is based on a degree of faith that the writer is being honest. However, the thing to remember about Blizzard's novels is that they've been released in different forms: pocket books and e-books, not to mention archives. The page number would be different in each source.

Note that in the full source for a novel/manual, information such as author, date of publication, etc. should be given if the referencing is to be 'proper'.

It's similar for websites, though an access date should be given as well. Say information was released on IGN. It would be:

This is but one system of referencing. To see examples, you can see the SC wiki's citation index here. Alternative, WOWwiki's referencing system can be found http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Citation].

To be honest, a referencing system isn't absolutely necessary for a wiki. It's really up to those running the wiki how they implement a referencing system, if at all.

As for my possible adminship...to be honest, I wouldn't recomend it. I'm already the admin of one wiki and unlike, say Kirkburn, wiki editing isn't my only hobby and the real world must also be considered. The other more major reason is that my knowledge of the Diablo series is far too limited at this point to really consider policing article content, what with only possessing a single game and single novel at this point in time. Someone could make an edit that says that the last level of Diablo II is full of dancing skeletons in the background and I wouldn't know whether they're being honest or not.

At this point in time, the only edits I can do (which I'm afraid won't be regular due to other activities, wikis among them) would be related to announcement material pending to Diablo III and fixing up articles in terms of links, spelling, etc. Sorry.--Hawki 12:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello
I joined this wiki some days ago, been fixing small things, redirecting, doing abit of lore; which i´m interested in. Yesterday i came over the Sanctuary page, seeing it was only stated as the "world" where diablo games were played in. I believed the lore to fit in there if anywhere, so started abit on the story, and began to set some links out. Mainly i guess that when you search on "Sanctuary" you want some question answered, how it was made, what it is and so on. So naturally i wanted to add that in. Now the reason to post here is that i'd like some feedback on it and also help, if possible, as i´m not 100% sure about the whole story.

As for myself im good at having the fact in hands "wall of text" and rewrite it with own words, thats what i'm good at; to make things fun to continue reading. Now I don't have alot of Diablo lore around me so any help on official lore would be appreciated. Thanks for reading, and good work on the site so far; I hope more people contribute now and readup when D3 was released.

//Zelik89

Custom skin
Hello again. I've been working on a custom skin for the wiki for the last couple days. After many, many edits, I think I'm done. Before making it the wiki's official default skin, I want you to check it out first. To do so, create your personal monaco.css file - User:Atrumentis/monaco.css - and paste the following code, then save it.

@import "http://diablo.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:JoePlay/monaco.css&action=raw&templates=expand&usemsgcache=yes&ctype=text/css&smaxage=18000";

After saving, you'll have to do a couple things in order to see the custom skin. First, go to My Preferences, click the Skin tab and check the box next to "Let the admins override my skin choice". Then clear your browser cache (Ctrl-Shift-R using Firefox or Ctrl-F5 using IE). So browse the site a while with the custom skin and let me know what you think. All feedback is welcome. It's a big change from what the skin has been, but I think it "fits" the look and feel of Diablo more accurately. Once you've given it the green light, I'll make it the default skin. At which point it would be a good idea to make a Sitenotice and main page announcement about it. JoePlay (talk) 21:57, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Greetings
Well, first things first, hello, Im Fedarated AK74-u, but I go by R3D SH1FT usually. I noticed this wiki more than a year ago, and say it was a disasister, and I though it could not have been helped. It hadn't had an edit in months. I was going to try to help, but I felt it would not have acomplised anything. So I left, feeling sorry for this doomed wiki.

I can see I was wrong,very wrong.

You've, as I can see have worked very hard to get this Wiki up to working condition. Now with D3 out, this Wiki is getting or going to get major attention, whitch brought me back hear. It brought me joy to find it in such improved state since my last visit. I am an Admin from the Call of Duty wiki, a wiki I helped bring to it back to its feet, and almost knock back down...

I havent played either Diablo for a long period of time, so I'm a little stale in the that aspect. But I can contribute to the more cleenup aspects, making articles that need them. I have but one question, what is Waystruck? There are several articles mentioning it and I can't for the life of me figure it out.

Well, I hope I can do some polishing before the masses get here.

21:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

And with that I am requesting Adminstration powers on this wiki so I can clean in up, I ran into a snag with moving a page and it can't be compleated without admin powers. It was the move of Spike Fiend (Variant) to just Spike Fiend.I brought it up with Kirkburn but he said I cant get it without notiftying you firsthand. 15:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I also will help (re)organizing this wiki. To get into the mood, I installed Diablo II today, created a Sorceress and leveled her up to 15. She just defeated Andariel. Although I want to help to reorganize, I do not want Administrator rights on this wiki. Hans Kamp 15:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Administrator rights
I actually changed my mind about the adminship. I want this Diablo Wiki to be a good wiki, as I said. User:Fedarated_AK74-u found it a good idea to make me admin, because he thinks (and I agree) that I have done a great job here. What do you think? Hans Kamp 14:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Inactive Admins
'''The following was copied from JoePlay's talk page, and can be viewed here.

Andrettin ‎(Bureaucrat, Sysop) Anetheron ‎(Sysop) Drag0n ‎(Sysop) Hrdottori ‎(Sysop) MadDawg2552 ‎(Sysop)

''After looking over the Admin pages, I have found these admins and the founder to have been inactive for more than a year, and in one case, 3 and 1/2 years. It is uneccesary for them to continue having these powers. We have three current SySops and the gameing helpers, you people. As this Wiki grows and prospers, it will look bad for us to have 5 Sysops who have been inactive for a longgg time. User Hrdottori is a Sysop with only 1 edit! And it was vandalism. Just infroming you.18:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)''

Like I said on Joe's talk page, I'm not sure if you can remove the above mentioned admins from power, if you can thats great, if you can't the group of users hear who mantain Sysop powers can bring this up with Wikia, because as this Wiki grows larger, it will not be good for us to have 5 inactive admins, despite one being our founder, who did very little work.00:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

'ello
Hi there. I'm fairly new to this wiki (having just made my first edits today), but I'm rather experienced with wikis (you can see a list of the wikis I have privileges on at m:User:EVula), including being a bureaucrat on the English Wikipedia and the Half-Life wikia. I'd like to help out around here a bit more, but there are some things that I can't do as a regular editor (such as editing the MediaWiki namespace) that I'd like to fix (for example, the white-background message that comes up when you click the watch/unwatch link).

I realize that you might not be gung-ho about randomly promoting a newbie to the project, but just thought I'd toss my two cents in; never hurts to ask. :) EVula // talk // 19:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Admin powers
Could I be made an admin? I made many contributions to the wiki and I want to make more and having administrator rights would help a lot. Dan (talk) 12:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow
The feeling's mutual. I haven't talked to you either, see. Admin? me? Sure. Why not? But, I'm not sure I would do anything different than what I'm already doing. For the record, I edit from a mobile phone. Damnit. And I'm just a 16 year old kid and a very naughty one at that. Have mercy on a kid. I went about asking the others cause they seemed to deserve it. And we have a scarcity of regular admins nonetheless. Only seems to come regularly now. And don't "Fear me" (f")f <-- Mobokill 05:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Admin power?
Hi!

I'm CologneCerroneHoudini. I joined fairly recently, and I've been doing major work on the unique pages. I've made quite a few edits (haha, mostly on the uniques, but I think it's 1007 as I write this) and I plan to do many more on the future. I think it would help to have admin powers. I understand if you don't think I should have them, especially considering that you probably don't know who I am, but... I'd like to have the ability to help more :D. CologneCerroneHoudini 05:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. And he didn't know me either. Heh heh. Another very good recommendation. He tops my class with full marks. Very reliable, helpful and learns from mistakes. What more can I say? Make him admin. FAST. "Ureh in D3!!! Maybe Heaven too!!!" - Mobokill 05:38, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. I don't have much to say except he does a great job and he's a great learner. And most of the other admins are not here, so someone is needed to keep an extra eye on vandalism and spam. Dan (talk) 06:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Indefinite blocks
Hey there. Going through the block log, I found that you'd blocked some anonymous users indefinitely. Is it a good idea to unblock them now? Or is it something like setting Diablo loose on Sanctuary? They may have been vandalizing from an internet cafe or something. And can you take a looksie at the blocking policy discussion and add your views or something. Just saw your review of the cinematic trailer at Diablofans. IT'S AWESOME. "Woohoo!!! New class(es) gonna be revealed at Blizzcon!!!" - Mobokill 06:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Making ourselves known
Hey hey. So, as you see here, we need some ad-space of our own. I've seen some references to this site in the Diablofans forums, most of them're from you I suppose. So, I wonder if we could bring some members from there. You know, pimpin and braggin about how this wiki has improved and you're the only b'crat and something like that. And Dan suggested modifying your sig there to include a link here. And I've seen that Wowwiki is associated with Blizzplanet. Can you see where I'm going? Maybe Diablofans'll ... Huh wha'?? So, bring some friends over and we'll do a parté. A pool party at that. Heh heh. And look at the wikia ad thing Dan brought up. It seems deterrent to new-potential contributors. Waiting with bated breath... "Fear me... Part deux!!!" (f")f <-- Mobokill 10:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Some changes
Look at Forum:Some changes. A point by point response would be greatly appreciated. - Dan Talk 13:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Hellooo...
Hiya man. Where've ya been?? Diablofans obviously :-P Just wanted to tell you that the wiki's gonna be missing its biggest contributor for some time now. Well that break's the ice, doesn't it? I wanted to talk to you about two things: 1. Your "Ask questions from Lore here" thread is very popular round the internet. Good writeup. Then *takes in his breath* WHY THE HELL AREN'T YOU DOING THE SAME IN OUR LORE PAGES??? *gasp* Sorry for yelling but methinks you've been neglecting your bureaucratic duties my friend. Ok, bureaucrats don't have much duties but you're someone many people over there look upto for lore info. You're the LOREMASTER for god's sake. You're the only one who has some free time in his hands now. Please fill in the lore wherever necessary. If you're wondering what's wrong, check out Moon of the Spider (object). Insult... Yes. And now finally 2. You've exhibited some wonderful writing skills ... lest ... I'm wrong. Geddit. Could you also fill in the item name origins. They're like lore only more speculative. And you certainly know more lore than me. So, you'll see some connections that others may never see. Check out Overlord's Helm, Sandstorn Trek and String of Ears for examples. Okay. That was long. Didn't wanna sound like I'm giving orders or something. You haven't responded to the earlier message Dan posted. Hope you'll respond here. Or should I ... nevermind :) "Fear me... Part deux!!!" (f")f <-- Mobokill 11:51, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, I'm sorry mobo. I got Dan's message when I was busy when I simultaneously had computer troubles AND was busy with assignments, lol. But yes, computer is fixed now, I can now reply to Dan, though I'm not sure how I can help anyway.


 * Heh, is my Lore thread really that popular? I really should fix that thread up too, its awfully messy. And actually, I made that thread with the intent on using the information gathered there and transferring it over to here. Because... when I think about all the hundreds of lore pages that need filling in here.. I just get overwhelmed. So I made the thread to get people to ask me what they wanted to know the most and to give me incentive/motivation to actually write some lore up.


 * Lol, item name origins? I guess I can try, but most of them are just there to be cool or are anachronisms of game developer's names. But still, there are certainly some items that are connected to Sanctuary's history.


 * And yes, messaging me with 'reminders' is actually a good way to get me to respond, lol.
 * Atrumentis 12:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Woah. Huge reply... What more could you expect from the Loremaster. I'm sorry bout the assignments. You're from Australia if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, we're close enough and that's why our semesters match. Should've thought of that before posting... Heh heh. But didn't know you're studying too. So sorry again. And yeah... I creep about alright :) mostly your's and Elven Lied's posts. Heh heh. Clues in sig "Fear me... Part deux!!!" (f")f <-- Mobokill 13:48, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Australia. Wait so, where are you from? NZ? Heh, no need to be sorry, lol. Hey hey, do you have an account at Diablofans? Send me a pm so I know who you are... or at least, remind me of who you are in case I have forgotten. And lol, I have noticed the clues in your sig. Except.. Part deux? I googled it.. is that a movie? Atrumentis 13:56, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So you asked and I'm here... NZ?? Not that close bud. I'm from India. Timezone's a couple o'hours behind but we're close. Tried PMing but won't work. Think the connection's not proper. I'll try again tomorrow. Wait... Let's play a game... I won't tell you my name there. Heh heh. Exactly what did you find in my sig?? I meant clues to my name are in there. Not in-your-face but still in there. And another clue, I'm not a regular user, but we've talked before. I'm a bastard, and I'm luvin it. Hee hee. Oh. And don't go about asking people in the forums if they're me. I'm sure you won't but heh :) kinda moronic after seeing some of 's contributions. "Fear me... Part deux!!!" (f")f <-- Mobokill 14:30, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Referencing and Timelines
You may recall that I asked you about referencing awhile ago. Just to let you know, I've created the start of a citation index at Help: Referencing. I know that this is probably presumptuous, but I haven't been able to find a policy elsewhere.

Anyway, I'm short of time right now, but the start of the concept is there, with the "ref name" format in place. I've based it on the one at the StarCraft wiki. Both have their novels and manuals, and the same format can be used for games. StarCraft has its "Episodes", Diablo has Acts, which allow for individual referencing.

What prompted me thinking about the need is the nature of the timeline, which Blizzard has just released an official version of. Unlike Warcraft, it keeps exactly to what's come before (at least as far as I can tell. The dates match up at least). I was wondering: should we make articles for individual years? Or complile all the info into one article? Few fantasy timelines are worthy of the former, but considering that Diablo has "months" (going by Cain's journal and the others in the LoD manual), sub-division is possible, which could allow for seperated year articles (eg. Level 2/3 headers for months, with the days in them). As either method is a big undertaking, I thought it best to run it by the admins before it being created.--Hawki 05:20, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, good work. But nah, years are too specific for the whole Diablo universe. Its really only the games that have more than one major historical event that happens in one year. The best division for Diablo as a whole is probably decades or even centuries, lol. Solomir at Diablofans.com is putting together a timeline that includes many things that Blizzard's timeline doesn't, and from what he's got so far we can see that most things occur more than a decade apart, and sometimes even hundreds of years apart.


 * But, thats mainly talking about all the other historical things. The events of the games specifically are a good idea to put into months because everyone always gets confused on how far apart all that stuff actually is. Atrumentis 05:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Centuries is probably a good idea, as there's a few century dates as I recall (Zakarum founded in 12th century, Assassin order in second century, etc. I guess centuries could be level 2 headings, years level 3 headings and months could be in bold. That admittedly leaves days, but given the style of writing in the journals, it could be writen as "the 7th day of the month of x".--Hawki 08:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for butting in, but this looks interesting. Seeing both the above timelines, it's kinda clear that the entire timeline cannot be contained in one page. But that would make some of the events like the start of the Great Conflict kinda separated from the more continuous events like the Sin War. So, I have a kinda silly idea. Make a single page similar to Master Solomir's timeline with only the major events and link the more dense parts to separate pages, even the articles detailing the event. Like 1765 (example) the Sin War starts, links to Sin War (timeline), which contains a timeline of events in the Sin War like Tyrael givin em the stones, and the capture of the three. This can be integrated into the main Sin War page too. That way, we'll have the entire timeline while not compensating the minor details. The event timelines can be split up according to the magnanimity of the event. Like the Sin War lasted for like... 200 years or something while Baal's siege ended within two months. Both of them have many breakpoints that need mentioning. In short, splitting up the timeline by events and not years or centuries is the way I see it. And why don't we invite Master Solomir to write the timeline here. Seems like a lotta work which he's capable of. Also regarding the timeline, should an article about the Calendar system in Diablo be created?? Seeing the cool month names and all :) RATHMEN "Fear me... Part deux!!!" (f")f <-- Mobokill 09:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

E-mail problems when creating new account
Hi, I have just created an account, with e-mail on server mail dot ru. It seems like the server destroyed the confirmation mail sent by the engine--maybe it thought it's a spam. Can I somehow request that confirmation e-mail being re-sent to my currently set e-mail in my preferences?

Thanks in advance.

t7ko 17:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * When you change your email in your preferences, it should automatically send another confirmation email to that new address. Alternatively, you should be able to click on the link at the bottom of the main preferences page under the 'Email' heading (or just use this link: special:confirmemail.


 * It should work, but when I tried it myself with a test account nearly an hour ago, I still haven't received the confirmation email. So, hopefully it will work with you. If not, I'll ask Kirkburn about it, he's the official wikia staff member around here.


 * Atrumentis 07:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Neighboring wiki
Hi, I'm PsiSeveredHead, aka Kimera757, administrator from the StarCraft wiki.

I noticed your wiki has grown really fast over the past few months, and I was wondering if we could share tips and news.

Thanks in advance. Kimera 757 (talk) 00:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry I haven't replied until now. Well, I guess the secret is dedication. You just have to be obsessed with it and make it as best you can, then eventually people start to notice and they start helping you out too. Then eventually some of those people helping happen to know a few things about codes, and then they add all these cool new codes and completely take over the place and you can just sit back and relax. Lol, well, okay, even this wiki isn't that popular. Its a fairly small active community, though I guess there are still lots of people who read it without attributing. Atrumentis 15:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)