User talk:Rigel Kent

Hi there, Rigel Kent!
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Say, can I ask you something about immobilization in Diablo 3? Flamerstreak (talk) 01:02, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Damn! Thanks anyways. Flamerstreak (talk) 01:22, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Re: CSS
I am all for it, though these tables are way too simple to make use of sortable tables. However, if you wish to try and make them better, let's give it a go :P I am just afraid that I won't be able to be of much help, as I don't know how CSS coding works. Pryamus (talk) 16:26, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Concerning the quote template, I'm not sure what exactly you did, but it looks worse IMO, given the greater size of the text as well as bolding. I'll leave it for now, but will otherwise revert the changes if the aesthetic can't be maintained.--Hawki (talk) 08:07, September 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * Looks much better now, thanks. :)--Hawki (talk) 08:21, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

◄► Tephra ◄► 11:18, September 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * An example usage where the template uses one from each possible parameter should be included, as your instructions would probably be pretty complicated for anyone who doesn't already have a good idea what they are doing.

Hi, Rigel, just a quick note. I viewed some templates (most notably ), and they seem to display incorrectly on mobile devices, appearing too narrowly, with text overlapping borders. Not that it is a major issue, but I thought you might be interested. Stay cool! Pryamus (talk) 15:51, October 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hm... I wonder what it'd look like. There's only one way to find out. Pryamus (talk) 11:05, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Bows and Xbows
I looked at the new pages with added tables etc., and while I like the new tables, I don't think you should throw away the old ones (like and  ). Better leave them where they were and make an expandable (hidden/show button) detailed chart. Also, replacing a table of unique bows with a plain list (not even bullet points) impairs readability. If you have doubts, please ask other admins that would be best. Pryamus (talk) 12:20, September 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, I'll work on it some more tomorrow. (When I can't spell "summit" right it's time for bed.) Rigel Kent (talk) 13:12, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Edit Request
Hello Rigel,

I'm afraid technical questions should go to Tephra, who's in charge of template editing. I will leave that message for you, though :) Let's see what happens.

Pryamus (talk) 19:43, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Color templates
Hi Rigel,

It seems that following the change in color templates such as or  all our Legendary item coloring went dire, as multi-tiered structure appears glitching now. You can see an example in items like The Grand Vizier or Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker. I think we need to correct the templates to solve this issue. Unless we come up with anything, I will have to revert the latest additions to color templates, because editing over several hundred pages to fix it would be unreasonable. Sorry to bring you bad news. Pryamus (talk) 19:00, November 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * From what I see, Magic now works fine for the outer shell, but not for inner (causes the text to appear as separate line). Magic inline, vice versa, works well, but only for one line, disappearing after a single new paragraph or bullet point. Pryamus (talk) 19:38, November 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Always at your side :) Okay, we almost got it. Just need to think how to make color spread to next lines, so that it is not lost after bulletpoints / new lines. Pryamus (talk) 20:23, November 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's okay to use a bot for it, I think Tephra knows how to mark your account. However, please remember you ONLY need to replace the FIRST magic template (capturing the word Properties), and not touch the second one. You can do like this: replace {{Magic|Properties: with {{Magic block|Properties: but not {{Magic| with {{Magic block| . Pryamus (talk) 08:00, November 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Cool :) The text itself is no longer broken, that's true, just a bit of color. Pryamus (talk) 20:04, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, cool, it's working as intended. Nicely done, friend :) Now just make sure it doesn't forget anything. Tell me when you believe the bot's finished, will run a quick random page check. Just in case. Pryamus (talk) 16:44, November 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Everything seems fine, but I think I will go over the pages and insert magic color for all variable rolls. Also, I think I need to change all background-having PNG images to their transparent versions. Pryamus (talk) 20:18, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

Table sorting
I was just thinking about the item table you just put up on Faster Cast Rate. I saw you sorted 5-10% as 10 and 25-35% as 35, but this causes it to sort them randomly among the actual 10s and 35s. I considered three possible solutions: sort them as 6 and 26 so they are higher than 5 and 25, but lower than anything higher; do the opposite with values of 9 and 34; or average them to 7 and 30, although since 30 is also a real number, this isn't ideal. Personally, I am inclined toward 9 and 34, but wondered what you thought on this? ◄► Tephra ◄► 12:51, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed! I used 9.9 and 34.9 just in case a 9 or a 34 ever happens. Thanks for the check, it looks much better now. Rigel Kent (talk) 19:03, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

Multicolumn
I've never seen this done before, I was wondering if you could tell me what each of the parts of it do. Also, although it looks ok on Wikia skin, floating in the middle of the page on Monobook does not look good for lists like Desert Mercenary, it would be better on the left side with no indentation. ◄► Tephra ◄► 23:33, November 5, 2015 (UTC) ◄► Tephra ◄► 20:45, November 6, 2015 (UTC) ◄► Tephra ◄► 10:24, November 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, it's a fun bit of CSS3.  tells browsers to render as many 11em wide columns as will fit, up to a maximum of 4 columns. I just pulled those two numbers out of thin air, they can be tweaked as needed.   puts 1em between each column.   tells browsers not to stretch the columns any further (11+1+11+1+11+1+11 = 47). Rigel Kent (talk) 23:47, November 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Is there a way to tell it to use less columns if there are less than x lines, like each column has to be at least four lines long before it is divided into a new column (at 5, 9, and 13 lines)? I'm just asking for possible future use, I like to keep lists organized and this could be quite useful depending on its full capabilities.
 * I got something close. CSS can't count lines, but it can set a height, and flow into new columns only after that height is filled. I used a 1 line = 1.79em approximation. Try, where   is the number of lines to fill before starting a new column. Rigel Kent (talk) 02:21, November 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * As much as I like this code, it not working on mobile and older versions of IE seems to a bit of an issue. Lists like the hirelings names which can be made so neat will just be an enormous skyscraper of text wherever multicolumn doesn't work. I don't want to say 'let's not use it' because I do quite like it and you made it very customizable too, but I'm not sure we can really justify using it. We are supposed to be making wikis more mobile friendly, and intentionally using unsupported code is going in the opposite direction. However, even if we don't use it, I would like to keep the template in case multicolumn gains more support in the future. What do you think?

Wikiamobile, my nemesis. It assumes local editors don't code for mobile, so strips out all local CSS and leaves near-barebones HTML. Party like it's 1997. That's good for some wikis, but bad for wikis that write fluid, responsive layouts with small screens specifically in mind. Such as a template that adjusts the number of columns based on available width.

Anyway, it's a safe bet that IE&le;9 and wikiamobile skin, by their nature, will never support CSS columns. So it's more a matter of what fallback to use. Currently, the fallback is that the wikitext displays normally as though it weren't inside the template. This might actually be a good fallback for wikiamobile. For IE&le;9, long narrow lists are a little weird. I could do columnizer JavaScript for IE&le;9, but I'll try to think of something simpler. Rigel Kent (talk) 02:41, November 8, 2015 (UTC) ◄► Tephra ◄► 09:33, November 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not really too concerned about older versions of IE, after all, they are obsolete by their very definition. That said, some people are allergic to upgrading their browsers, so supporting old ones isn't something we should just dismiss either. Mobile, as much as I despise to admit it, is the future. I don't suppose there'd be any way to make the template check if it would work, and if not, display the text in a table like I formerly used on Desert Mercenary?
 * Mobile is the future, true, I'm just glad not all mobile browsers get stuck with wikiamobile skin (monobook and sometimes even oasis look better in mobile if the CSS is done right). I thought of a fallback for wikiamobile last night, but it'll require one of two things, either Lua enabled so the template can split lists into table columns, or two arguments given to the template, (one for wikiamobile, one for other skins). Rigel Kent (talk) 23:09, November 8, 2015 (UTC)

Class Item categories
I took a peek on the categories, how about we change them a bit? I am thinking about the following structure, using Wizard items, Winter Flurry and Firebird's Eye as example: So that the FE is not inlcuded in the DIIIWI category, but rather to FF, which, in turn, is included into DIIIWI. Pryamus (talk) 09:47, February 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Category:Diablo III Wizard Items - includes:
 * Sources - includes both pages
 * Firebird's Finery - inclues FE only


 * Nice. Poke me when done, I will erase the extra cats from specific categories for you (or at least try). Maybe you can also try and utilize a bot of sorts, that, for instance, removes a specific category if that item also has a higher-level category. Pryamus (talk) 19:35, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Color Templates II
It seems Magic and Legendary template interaction is broken again, see any item for display (Winter Flurry, for instance). Any idea how to fix that? Pryamus (talk) 13:42, February 26, 2016 (UTC) is used instead of within the Set template. Damn :) Pryamus (talk) 16:41, February 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * Works fine after reverting today's change to Magic; should we leave it that way, or? Pryamus (talk) 13:47, February 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Hm. Now we're having troubles with Set items (see Foundation of the Earth for example). It colors and bolds all white text past the template. Ideas? Pryamus (talk) 16:37, February 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * UPD: it breaks when line break or
 * Please run the fix, that's not an extreme case, but still let's not keep it bugged. As of new Set template (which, I suppose, needs to have a Legendary counterpart as well), that's a nice idea, I would like to hear more about how you see it work for D3. For instance, does it support multiple images for set items that can change appearance? Pryamus (talk) 08:49, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Bot run
Sure, that'd make things go a lot quicker. ◄► Tephra ◄► 01:09, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

◄► Tephra ◄► 22:46, March 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know just how smart bots can be, but I wonder if your bot could follow a certain scenario. I want to break down the Category:Legendary Diablo III Items into sub-categories for different equipment types. This means a huge number of pages in that category need to be removed, but not all of them. Can a bot detect if a page is in a specific category (such as Category:Diablo III Helms) and, if so, then remove it from another category (Category:Legendary Diablo III Items)?

◄► Tephra ◄► 10:53, March 5, 2016 (UTC)
 * By your use of the words "changing" and "replacement", I'm not sure you understood. I don't want the bot to add any categories, it has to identify one category and if that category exists, remove another, unrelated category.

◄► Tephra ◄► 11:08, March 5, 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, cancel the plans. It appears the categories are all managed through the templates. Though the pages may all need to be reset in the database... can a bot be told to edit all pages in a category and publish the "edits" with no changes made?

D2 set templates
These templates are wrapping text where it looks really stupid to do so. I don't know if this is a browser specific thing, but what I am seeing is this:

Class restrict- ed?

Character lev- el

Either the lines need to break where the spaces between words are, or the first column needs to be wider. Widening the column would look better since the second column is taking up more space for fewer characters, but I suppose there might be some technical reason why the widths are set the way they are. ◄► Tephra ◄► 04:45, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

Rune templates
I noticed some hyphenated wrapping on the rune templates too. Specifically, on Zod Rune, it has:

2 Cham and a flawless emer- ald

I'm not really sure hyphenated wrapping would look appropriate on any template. How many templates allow for it? ◄► Tephra ◄► 19:02, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Reverts
Hello,

I don't generally enjoy reverting the edits made by others, the color templates are just the painful issue. Actually it's been discussed previously among several editors, the trick is that the latest version caused glitches in multi-tiered item descriptions. Example may be Countess Julia's Cameo: Magic, then Legendary inside it, and then Magic inside the Legendary. Right now it works fine, but the version of color templates I reverted would give it errors. You can test for yourself if you like. Pryamus (talk) 20:08, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

Trivia template
A bug exists on Monobook skin with the Trivia template where it sometimes likes to let its icon wander into areas it doesn't belong (you can see it in Rakanishu's trivia section). I have no idea why this bug exists, but it was a problem quite some time ago too. I fixed the bug by putting the template into a table, but since you changed it into div a few months ago, the bug has resurfaced. I hope you can figure out what causes the bug. If you can't, I will revert the template back to using a table. ◄► Tephra ◄► 07:02, April 15, 2016 (UTC)

Template D
Template:D used to do to Xyz, however, all difficulties were merged into one article, so there is no longer a need for different difficulty links. Now, if one is talking about say, "Nightmare and Hell difficulties", instead of "Nightmare" and "Hell" linking to their respective difficulties, only "difficulties" should link to Difficulty. I don't think a bot can do this very well, because while it can remove the template easily enough, it needs to identify where to put a new link. Just linking the word "difficulty" or "difficulties" isn't enough, as words such as "mode" are also used. That's why I modified the template to its current form, so a link to the correct location still exists, but ideally, it needs to be removed when a proper link can be inserted into the correct location. ◄► Tephra ◄► 02:55, April 20, 2016 (UTC)

◄► Tephra ◄► 19:16, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * I was wrong about the articles being merged, so the template is not obsolete and I've reverted it.

Infobox Location2
Hello again,

Please take a look at Template:Infobox Location2. It appears that it has white background color for whatever reason (see Zakarum Cathedral for example), while we currently try to avoid using white background. Pryamus (talk) 09:58, April 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * Got your point. I think I will copy D2 style to D3 with some alterations. Pryamus (talk) 11:21, April 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * Okay, I made it more or less appropriate, please see The Larder. Take a look at the changed Location2 and maybe you can come up with an idea or two for it. Pryamus (talk) 12:08, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

Kanai's Cube
Hello,

I noticed that you never really finished the weapons section of Kanai's Cube powers. Do you plan to finish it yourself, or should we team up? :P Pryamus (talk) 16:39, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Admin bot
Can the bot perform administrative actions? I was just thinking that I would like to semi-protect all category pages so IPs stop adding them to irrelevant categories. Is this something the bot could do if I temporarily promoted it to admin? ◄► Tephra ◄► 02:11, May 18, 2016 (UTC)